This is a place to
which members (and others) may write letters to the 1745 Association.
Webmaster Lewie Caw welcomes your
correspondence. He prefers email to Letters
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keep your letters fairly short.
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publication. However, all letters will be archived for possible future
reference.
27.07.08
From Mr Scott Ward
(Contact Scott here)
Hi Lewie,
I was wondering if any fellow members can help me with further
investigations regarding a sword in my collection, i have a letter from Lord
Lyon office informing me the coat of arms on the blade was registered to a
Thomas Milne in 1672, the only other info i have it was used by his grandson
Alexander Milne at Prestonpans where basket was damaged, repaired & at
Falkirk the blade was broken off to 20" & re-sharpened, he then
fought at Culloden with Ogilvy or Gordon. This is a far as i can go &
would appreciate any help with this, i also have quite a few more pre-1745
antique swords if any members want to swap pictures or just have a look,
I look forward to hearing your reply
Regards
What an interesting story. Your collection must be fascinating.
I
cannot help you with your investigations but perhaps there is someone who will
read this letter who can be of help.
They
might be able to help and even if they cannot they will be very interested I
should think.
Lewie
19.07.08
From Mr Florian
Saamen
Dear Ladies and Gentlemen,
Me and my Girlfriend are Reenactors (Jacobites 1745/46) from Germany.
We do Scottish Jacobites from the 1745/46.
I hope you understand if I need a "Battle ready" Targe for the
Presentation!
I know that my question sounds a bit strange...
I'd like to try build the targe with my own Hands!
For this, I need some information about the Lord Lovat's Targe.
So I hope you can help.
I remain respectfully yours,
Florian Saamen
Dear Florian
I am afraid my knowledge of targe making is a bit limited! However, there are
plenty of targe makers on the internet who might be able to give you advice. You
might also take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targe
Here
is a picture of a reproduction targe reputed to have been owned by Simon Fraser
Lord Lovat 
Lewie
11.07.08
From Mr Michael Merrgan
Lewie, a Chara,
Greetings from Dublin, Ireland.
Just a quick question for you regarding the Association's Coat of Arms, would
you be able to explain the significance of the symbolism and possibly, indicate
from what heraldic authority, if any, they were obtained ad when.
They do look very impressive indeed.
By the way, attached, please find a copy of "Ireland's Genealogical
Gazette" the monthly newsletter of the Genealogical Society of
Ireland, in which, I hope to carry a piece on your Association. Ireland's_Genealogical_Gazette_-_July2008_PDF[1].pdf
Go raibh maith agat,
Mise le meas,
Michael Merrigan
General Secretary
Genealogical Society of Ireland
www.familyhistory.ie
Reply from Miss C.W. Aikman Secretary 1745
Association
Dear Michael
In answer to your query.
Shield - 3 crowns; Scotland,
England & France; the jacobite white rose supported by 2 fleur-de-Lys.
Crest; 2 crossed Lochaber axes
supporting the Standard of Prince Charles Edward Stuart.
Motto; "Tandem Triumphans" is
Let It Triumph.
This coat of arms has been devised by
the staff of the Lord Lyon and approved by him.
Christian Aikman
Secretary
1745 Association
26.06.08
From Mr Jim Cheyne
Dear Lewie,
In all your readings have you ever come across the Aboyne
Battalion or the Abine Battalion from Deeside?
Enjoying the side.
Thanks.
Hello
Jim
There was a Jacobite force raised from Deeside. Lord Lewis Gordon was responsible
for raising it and Francis Farquharson of Monaltrie and James Moir of
Stoneywood were appointed Colonels. Francis' cousin was the famous female
Jacobite Lady Anne Mackintosh.
Farquharson
is buried in the old Crathie kirkyard. Today the kirk is best known for
for its most famous worshippers, a family not known for great sympathies to
the Jacobite cause.
Lewie
27.06.08
From Mr
Jim Cheyne
Hi Lewie,
Many thanks for the information you gave. I don't know
if you would be interested but I will give you the information I have on
the Aboyne battalion.
From the Legends of The Braes O' Mar by John Grant, my
copy dated 1876. "On the 15th January, 1746, just two days before the
battle, Lewis Gordon writes from Bannockburn to Moir of Stoneywood and
Farquharson of Monaltrie, commanding officers of the Aberdeen and Aboyne
battalions, ordering them to joing the main bodyof the army
forthwith".
From The New Statistical Account of Scotland Vol. XII.
Aberdeen. Page 1063 Aboyne and Glentanner, footnote: In 1745-6, a
battalion, named by Lord Lewis Gordon "the Aboyne battalion",
and commanded by Farquharson of Monaltree, beat the Macleods at Inverury
and, in the fierce onslaught at Culloden, cut through "Burrell's
Blue". The survivors who returned from that eventful
field are all now beyond the din of war. The writer remembers seven or
eight of them, and has often heard from them an account of their
disastrous adventure".
Regards.
Jim.
Hello again Jim
Yes, we certainly are interested. It's always good to hear from someone
with knowledge of the '45 and associated matters. I am no great expert compared
with some so am always willing to learn more, as are all our members.
I have looked at our membership lists and so far as I can see you are not yet a
member of the 1745 Association. Perhaps you might like to consider joining. You
would be most welcome.
Lewie
30.05.08
From Mr Alastair Cunningham
Dear
Lewie,
I am leading a tour of Jacobite locations in Paris and environs this
September and since I have four or five spare places, I wondered if this might
be of interest to any of your members?
Best
Wishes,
Alastair Cunningham
Scottish
Clans and Castles Ltd
Tel. (44) 1667 456942 Fax. (44) 1667 455499.
www.clansandcastles.com
Registered Address: The
Old Stables, Househill, Nairn, Scotland IV12 5RY.
Just in case you have not had enough
touring etc. with our Annual Gathering and the trip to Bergues, I offer this
from Mr Cunningham. Neither the webmaster of the 1745 Association nor the
association itself take any responsibility for the quality of the products of
this company. However, Mr Cunnigham wrote to me and as the tour to Paris sounds
of interest I include it for website users information and possible benefit.
Lewie
From Mr John Rae
Lewie,
Does the Association recognise Stewarts of Balquhidder?
Regards,
John
Rae, descendant of John Stewart of Glenbuckie who was a Moss Laird on the
Blair Drummond Moss.
Hello
John
I
did not know that the Stewarts of Balquhidder were not "officially"
recognised but note remarks to that effect.
Clan
Association
There is no official registered Clan
Association for the Stewarts of Balquhidder. Nevertheless this branch of
the Stewarts is no less legitimately described as a clan than would be the
Stewarts of Appin, Atholl, Bute, or Galloway, etc. The others are,
today, simply better known and better organized, each with their own tartan
and clan officers. As there is no official clan association, likewise there is
no official clan motto.
It
is not within the remit of the 1745 Association to take up particular causes
or affiliate itself with any individual group. You will note that our
objectives are
1) To study the Jacobite
period.
2)
To record and preserve the memory of those who actively participated in, or
who had
connections with the '45.
3) To mark the appropriate
historical sites.
I thank
you for your interest in our Association. Those with a personal view may
wish to comment.
Lewie
19.05.08
From Mr Earl
"Rocky McIntosh
Dear Lewie
My name is Earl M.
Mackintosh, III. We are from the Washington, DC area. My wife and I will
be traveling to Scotland for 11 days this August. It will be our first
trip there and we will be bringing along my mother (age 81) and her sister
Carolina Ferguson Finley (age 70). We are planning visits to the clan
homes/castles of Ferguson (Kilkerran), Mackintosh (Moy) and Finley/Farquharson
(Braemar).
Most specifically, I am
interested in contacting someone (a genealogist or tartanologist) who may be
able to assist me in drawing a link with my McIntosh ancestors who
left the Inverness area for the Washington DC (Maryland Virginia) USA area
in the 1790's. My guess is that they were part of the Clearances, but
thus far I have not made contact with any Scottish researchers.
Would you have any
recommendations for someone that I could contact?
We will be staying in
Edinburgh August 21st to the 24th, and then driving to Inverness on the
24th until the 27th. We plan to visit the Culloden battlefield while
there.
I look forward to receiving a
response in the near future. Thank you in advance for your attention to this
request.
Sincerely,
Earl "Rocky"
Mackintosh
Anyone able to help
with Rocky's requests? His emai address is rocky@macroltd.com.
Or you can contact me and I will pass the info on.
Lewie
19.05 08
From Mr Thomas Adam
Dear Lewie
1.Being a newcomer to your
site I was wondering whether Sir Archibald Primrose was it? who was executed
at Carlisle was the husband of Lady Primrose who put the Prince up during
his trip to London c1750
2. My 'credentials' are that
via my Granny I am descended directly albeit via the distaff line from
the Robertsons of Struan, two of that family being killed at Culloden
3. However being more of a
Gordon than anything else, Scottish wise I was looking for a list of
'volunteers' even if forced out of those in the Lewis Gordon battalions or the
Glenbuckat regiment. I found one a while back but it seems to have been
withdrawn or is it just me. Histories give the impression that only one of
Lord Lewis's units by now very understrength and largely consisting of
old men and boys was at Culloden but in any case they all, including
Glenbuckats ran after one volley those that had firearms that is !
4. Finally one if not the main
reason for Jacobite failure in England and London in particular was the
'French connection' which I pointed out in a series I wrote some moons sgo. To
Scots in the North the limited French support might have been seen as a
belated extension of the 'Auld Alliance' but to everyone else it was the
national enemy and high treason. If London had fallen to the Prince and
columns of French troops arrived would they have been welcomed as liberators,
I rather doubt it. Was it not a catch 22 situation. for Charles Edward? He
probably couldn't have done without them but on the other hand their presence
would have worked against him. If and its a big if he had somehow defeated or
evaded Cumberland and even Wade and routed the Guards and militia at Finchley
could he have called off the French on time. and would the French have been
able to resist the triumph of occupying the English capital albeit for a short
time or indeed would Charles have been able to stop them. This apart how much
faith was there in Anglo/ Welsh potential which as the Highland army
approached the 'home counties' could be said at best to be patchy, What too
about the army trapped in London surrounded by 3 armies and no way out. These
and like thoughts must have prevailed in Derby and Lord George with all his
defects was a consummate professional .
Thanks very much,
rgds, Tom
Unfortunately
I am away from home at the moment and for another couple of weeks and so
have no access to my Jacobite library. As such answering your questions
might not be too easy for me at present. However there are many readers of
the letters page and hopefully someone will offer additional help and
information.
2. Your
"credentials" are impeccable.
3. Can't
help you with this one at the moment. Maybe someone else can?? Lists of men
in the various Jacobite regiments are to be found in "No Quarter Given-
The Muster Roll of Prince Charles Edward Stuart's army". That might be
useful. I have a copy but not with me at present.
4.
Can't argue with you here. I think that any student of Jacobite affairs
would agree with most of what you say. With regard to your thoughts on Lord
George there are two schools. Either he was a "consummate
professional" as you say or he was the Prince's worst enemy who lost
his courage at Derby and so condemned the campaign to failure. Personally I
think he knew all was lost anyway and withdrawal was simply a pragmatic
decision.
Lewie
15.04.08
From Ms Yvonne Divak
I am a new
member. If you have already answered these questions in The Jacobite, I
apologize.
1. Where are the executed soldiers of
Carlisle buried?
The defenders of Carlisle were
mainly men of the Manchester Regiment although there were Scots and French in
the garrison as well. After the fall of the city to government forces those
captured were tried and sentenced. I believe that 96 were sentenced to die but
only 31 were actually executed, the rest being pardoned or transported. I do
not know where most of them were buried. However a number, including the
commanding officer of the Manchester regiment Colonel Francis Towneley, were
taken to London and executed at Kennington. (See "A
Day Out in London")
There is a village about nine
miles from Carlisle called Brampton where the "Capon Tree
Monument" commemorates the men executed there
"This stone is
placed to mark the site of the ancient Capon Tree under whose shade the judges
of assize rested and upon whose branches were executed October XXI MDCCXLVI
for adherence to the cause of the Royal Line of Stuart, Colonel James Innes,
Captain Patrick Lindesay, Ronald MacDonald, Thomas Park, Peter Taylor, Michael
Delard".
2. Is there a book or article about the
Carlisle and the Jacobite soldiers abandoned there?
Try Prince Charlie in the
Borderland by David Beattie
The Jacobite army in England by
Frank McLynn
See Jacobite
Library for details
3.Has anyone commented on the book, "The
'45," by Christopher Duffy? I have never been to Scotland (though I
hope to go sometime), or to England, so I found the maps and descriptions of
the towns and villages very useful. I have read a great deal about
Culloden, but not about the rest of the Rising, so I thought Mr. Duffy put the
battle in excellent perspective.
Christopher Duffy's book is
indeed a most valuable work on the '45. He is a member of the 1745
Association.
4. Is it true, as Mr. Duffy implies, that
Prince Charles was within a cat's whisker of taking London, and that only cold
feet on the part of his advisors kept him from doing so?
This is a straight
forward question but has a complex answer. This answer is my personal opinion
and not that of the collected wisdom of this Association. It is also necessary
to remember that we see these events with the benefit of hindsight. We know
what happened after the decision to withdraw was made. The Prince did not.
The short answer is
"Yes". I believe that had the Jacobite army advanced they could have
outwitted and outpaced their opponents and entered London virtually unopposed.
It is even possible that George would have scuttled off to Hanover waiting to
see what happened next. However, having "taken" London they could
not have held onto it for long and the final battle would have been in or near
London and not at Culloden. In order for Prince Charles to have held onto
London then there would need to be a popular groundswell of support for him
with thousands joining the army and many, many more offering verbal support.
As had been crystal clear since the army entered England such support was not
forthcoming (except for the couple of hundred who joined in Manchester and the
rest of Lancashire).
Lack of English, Welsh and
French support plus misinformation about the size of the forces waiting for
them north of London convinced clan chiefs and in particular Lord George
Murray that the Rising could not succeed at this attempt and that the only
hope (and a slim one at that) was withdrawal. Withdrawal did not mean moving
the army to a nearby safe Jacobite area for there was none. The only
place the Jacobites could feel fairly secure was in the Highlands, and even
this part of the country was not universally sympathetic. Was it a good
decision? The truth is that by this time there was no good decision. Lord
George is variously seen as the Prince's best commander and as a traitorous
scoundrel. Take your pick. Whatever else he was, on this occasion at least he
was a pragmatist. He knew, I feel, that the game was up. Advance meant certain
defeat even if London was taken. Withdrawal provided the slight hope that the
winter could be passed safely in the Highlands and further support might yet
be forthcoming from those who to this point had not bestirred themselves. It
was not to be.
There may be many in the
Association who do not see the situation as I do. I invite further comment.
I received my first issue of
The Jacobite, and I enjoyed it very much.
Thank-you. Yvonne Divak
15.04.08
From Mr Stephen Lord
Dear Lewie
There is a painting in Blickling Hall, Norfolk which some
think to be General Sir John Cope as a young man. Does the 1745 Association or
indeed any of its members have any thoughts on this opinion?
Steve Lord
11.04.08
From Mr Martin
Margulies (Author "The Battle of Prestonpans 1745")
Dear
Lewie,
I see that you now have the entire text
of Duncan Forbes' Culloden Papers on your website. I wish I'd
had access to that one when I was doing my research -- but, search though I
might (and I also had a very capable search agent working on my behalf) I
could not locate a copy except in libraries that were too distant for me to
travel to them. I did get hold, for something like two hundred dollars,
of More Culloden Papers, but it is not nearly as rich a treasure
trove for Prestonpans-related materials as its predecessor. On the other
hand, though, CP has so much stuff that it might have significantly
delayed completion of the manuscript, which might in turn have exhausted my
publisher's patience, and nothing I've seen in the on-line edition so far
would have altered my conclusions. I hope you'll keep it up there for a
while until I've mined it.
Martin
You
will be pleased to know that the association has no plans to remove 'Culloden
Papers' nor any of the other on-line books from the site. Sorry it was not
available when you really needed it!
Lewie
I
05.04.08
From Ms Debby Swanson
Hi, I am a descendent of the Looney family
originally from Ireland, IOM, and Scotland. The closest I have found is the
MacPherson Clan with the names Cluny, Cloony and so on. There are many
deviations to the name especially when they came to America. It has been
spelled Luny, Louny, and loney. Do you have any info. on the spelling
Looney or other, being from the Clan McPherson? I would love to know where the
Looneys were in Scotland for sure.
Thank You, Debby Swanson
Any ideas anyone? A quick "Google"
came up with this http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.c/qx/looney-coat-arms.htm
Lewie
25.03.08
From Mr James Lamont
Hi Lewie, a wee while ago I wrote to you regarding my
dissertation about the Jacobites in Atholl. It is nearing completion now and I
must say that the letter I received from the secretary was most useful. One
quick question I have, and I figured this would be the logical place to ask,
is that somewhere in a book, and I can't remember which, I have came across a
Jacobite lady being referred to as "that damn rebel bitch". What I
am wondering is do you know who this woman is and who it was that called her
this? I am aware of the book by the similar title but I cannot find any
reference to it in there. if you know the answer it would be excellent for you
to get back to me.
kind regards
James Lamont
26.03.08
From Mr David
Donachie of Brockloch
Dear
Lewie,
With
reference to James Lamont’s letter "That damn rebel bitch" 26.3.08,
I do believe it is mentioned somewhere in the book of similar name by
Craig.
I
am not sure if the wording was; ‘damned rebel (or) Jacobite bitch’.
Unfortunately my copy is
currently boxed away, but from memory, I think it refers to a letter from a
lady from the Leith area, who anonymously penned a letter to a friend, on what
had recently happened to Lady Lochiel and herself, by Hanoverian government
troops who were looting and ill treating Jacobite sympathisers left behind,
when Prince Charles had left Edinburgh for England.
I
hope this may assist a little.
Best
wishes.
David
It
does assist David. Thank you. From your prompting I looked up Lady Lochiel in
my copy of Maggie Craig's 'Damn' Rebel Bitches' I found on page 128:-
"They
have visited Lady Lochiel and used her in the rudest manner," she
wrote, calling her bitch and whore, and had the impudence to spit in her
face."----- They insulted her too, calling her a damn'd Jacobite
bitch".
I would
not have found it without your prompting.
Lewie
12.02.08
From Mr Robin Williamson
Hello Lewie,
I
was once a member of the association and on the council one time, but due to
work commitments, I had to let it go, however I've just re-discovered your
website and see that Christian is still involved…she sure has some drive!
I'm doing a
400-500 mile walk this summer from the east coast of Whitley Bay, Tyne and Wear
up to Acharacle, at the end of Loch Shiel.
I'll
be passing a few landmarks on my way, the William Wallace Monument at Dryburgh
Abbey, The Grave of Roby Roy MacGregor, along the West Highland Way to Fort
William.
I'll
then be heading off to Glenfinnan, then up the North Side of Loch Shiel, over
the top to visit the 7 Men of Moidart.
Finally it will be
around by Tioram castle to the Loch Shiel Hotel, where I'll celebrate with a
nice pint.
Looks from
the website that the past few years have been really busy for the association,
and it has done well, maybe I'll join up again !
Kind
Regards
Robin Williamson
Hello Robin
Thanks for your letter. Great to hear from an "Old Boy" so to speak.
I am sure there will be many who remember you and be pleased you have been in
touch. You will see that you can rejoin, if you wish, on-line these days. We
hope you do and that we will see you at an Annual Gathering perhaps. Good
luck on your walk. It sounds great.
Lewie
06.02.08
From Mr Martin Magulies & further to the
letter from Mr Mark Ocepek (below)
I am the author of a recently published
book, "The Battle of Prestonpans 1745" (Tempus/NPI 2007). I am
also working with Gordon Prestoungrange, Baron of Prestoungrange (a property
that abuts the battlefield and figured prominently in the battle).
Gordon heads up a Trust that is mounting a nationwide and to date quite
successful campaign to restore and preserve the battlefield and erect a
visitor center on the site.
Among his many activities in quest of
that goal, he is republishing, this year, Sir Robert Cadell's book about
General Cope and the battle. I have agreed, at his request, to write an
Introduction to the new edition.
While
browsing the Association website, I came across the email to Steve ("Lewie"),
in which you mention that you have an oil painting of Sir Robert and could
send him a digital image of it. I would give my eyeteeth for
such a copy and permission to publish it. I am sure Gordon would too, although
I have not yet told him about you; I do not want to get his hopes up if the
image is not available.
Could I ask you
please to let me know whether you would be willing to send me the image and
permission? Thanks much.
Martin Margulies
Mark sent the
picture of Sir Robert Cadell to Martin and Martin sent it to your webmaster
so here it is.
Lewie
02.02.08
From Mr Tony Kitto
Dear Lewie
Just
a quick note to congratulate you on your entertaining web site, which I happened
on by accident. My eye was taken by the What's new information about Francis
Towneley. I think I can add a couple more pieces of information to the excellent
note by Geoff Topliss.
First,
the information that Francis Towneley was buried at St Pancras comes from notes
about her children made by his mother. It appears his body was buried in the
grave of his sister, Mary, who died in London in August 1716. The original list
of expenses for Mary's funeral at St Pancras is currently on display in the
Towneley Room at Towneley Art Gallery and Museum, Burnley.
Second,
one book I found missing from your Jacobite Library is "English Jacobite
Ballads" (1877) by Alexander Grosart. This is a transcript of a manuscript
book of poetry written between 1745 and 1748 and compiled by the Towneley
family. It includes Towneley's Ghost in memory of Francis Towneley.
Tony
Kitto
Volunteer
Researcher
Towneley
Art Gallery and Museum, Burnley
18.01.08
From Mr John Edwards
Dear Sir,
I will be visiting Strathspey in February and would like to visit the cairn to
John Roy Stuart but, peversely, it is the only one in your Cairns,
Monuments etc page in the 1745 Association website that does
not contain a location. Can you help me place it more precisely
please - it seems to be close to Ruthven Barracks as your 2007 Annual Gathering
visited the site.
Best wishes
John Edwards
Dear
John
Yes
we did visit the cairn during the 2007 Annual Gathering. The 1745 Association
erected the cairn in 2000. Whilst I was there I really should have noted down
the map ref but I did not!
However,
I will make enquiries about the precise location from other members and get
back to you. In order to get you started I will tell you the approximate
location.
First
you will need OS Landranger map number 36 (Grantown, Aviemoire and Cairngorm).
John Roy's cairn is close to Street of Kincardine where he was born.
Map Ref NH946180. You will see that the hamlet is on the B970 road. I cannot
remember whether the cairn is north or south of Street of Kincardine.
Sorry. However I can tell you that it is on the side of the B970 at
the bottom of a farm road. You can see that on the photograph on the 2007
Annual Gathering page on the website http://www.1745association.org.uk/Annual%20Gathering%202007.htm
The gate and fence you can see behind the people holding the banner is the
same fence illustrated on the photograph of the cairn. I rather think the
cairn might be at the bottom of the track to Mullingarroch farm just north of
Street of Kincardine but I am not sure.
Lewie
Can
anyone help with the exact Map ref? I'll add it permanently to the website.
L
10.01.08
From Martin Kelvin
(further to previous
correspondence on the "Rebel gun")
Dear Lewie
You may be interested
to learn, that Frances and I, on a whim, decided to take a trip to the Ship
Inn, Wincle, south of Macclesfield in Cheshire, to see whether the inn
still had the information on this relic, which was supposedly detailed on a
paper or plaque hanging on the wall. When we arrived at this charming
hostelry, however, there was no such plaque. The present licensee was
aware of the story, but the information had probably been removed by his
predecessor. I offered to supply the missing information, on the grounds
that, if this were not done, then future generations would be left unaware of
this rather intriguing piece of history. The licensee agreed, and
accordingly I sent him, having first conferred with our secretary, a framed
copy of the following:
The
Ship Inn in 1745.
In
December 1745, Alexander Maclean, a straggler from Bonnie Prince Charlie's
retreating highland army, called at the Ship Inn, Wincle, and demanded some
food. Whilst he was eating, the
landlord, Joseph Cunliffe, succeeded in snatching up the highlander's musket,
and held him at gunpoint until the arrival of the local magistrate, Sir Peter
Davenport, before whom the said Alexander Mackclean (sic)
"Confesseth
and Sayeth that he was Born in the Highlands of Scotland and was taken in wth
the Rebells at Athol in Scotland aforesaid and marched with them until he was
apprehended."
This
deposition was signed with his mark. Maclean
was imprisoned under the harshest conditions, firstly in Chester Castle, and
later in the castle at York, where he was sent for trial.
He was a pedlar, pleaded guilty, and was sentenced to death on October 2nd
1746, but the sentence was later commuted to transportation for life.
Until half a century ago, the "Rebel Gun" could be seen at the
inn, hanging on a lintel above the bar. His subsequent fate is unknown.
*
* * * *
M.
Kelvin, 1745 Association, January 2008.
We
had a delightful meal at the Ship Inn, well worth a visit, and usually closed
on Mondays! Incidentally, as you are aware, a copy of a Manchester
newspaper dated 1745 was at one time preserved at the inn, along with the gun.
Clearly this had nothing to do with the luckless Maclean, who probably had no
English whatsoever, and certainly could not read or write anyway!
Previous
correspondence regarding the "rebel gun" in Wincle is archived but
available should anyone wish to see it. Just drop me a line
Lewie
08.01.08
From James Lamont
Hi
Lewie,
I
saw your list of Jacobite publications on the internet and was wondering if you
could give me any help with this one. I am currently writing a dissertation as
part of my final year at university and the title of my dissertation is "An
Assessment of Jacobite Support in Atholl c.1745". I'm struggling to find
much material to help me other than primary sources at Blair Castle. I am
specifically looking for evidence to show that the common tenants of the land
were forced into joining the Jacobite army and equally, given that Atholl was a
divided area with the 2nd Duke being a Hanoverian supporter, I am
looking for any evidence to suggest that some of those people on his land were
forced into the government forces. Of course anything else will be of use but at
the moment this is where my area of focus is. I would be very grateful if you
could point me in the direction of any material that you may have or know of
that will help me with this dissertation.
Regards
James
Lamont
Hello
James
I will give the matter some thought and take a look at my own library but at
the moment I cannot think of a particular publication that might deal
with this matter specifically. However the 1745 Association is collectively
very knowledgeable and I am sure someone will be able to help. I will email
you again and also post on this site if any info is forthcoming.
Good
luck with the dissertation
Lewie
I
am informed that 1745 Association Secretary Miss Christian Aikman was able to
help Mr Lamont with this request.
L
07.01.08
From
Alistair McCabe
Dear Lewie
While reading the most recent
copy of `The Jacobite` no 125 - there is a reference to Co. John Roy
Stuart (p15). The text reads " It is believed he died c1752 in France,
but the circumstance and place of his death is unknown".
The Rev` Forsyth in his book `In
the shadow of Cairngorm` sheds no further light on the precise year and place
of his death. Affleck Gray in his book `Legends of the Cairngorms` gives the
place of death at St. Omer in France 1752.
I wonder if there are any
records here with regards to John Roy`s final resting place? I know this
question was asked here on the 1745 Association web site, presumably without
response.
Best Wishes to all
Alistair McCabe
Any thoughts anyone?
Lewie
07.01.08
From Mark Ocepek
Dear Lewie:
I saw your website and I have a question for you. I
have a very old portrait, which is an original oil painting of
General Sir Robert Cadell, K.C.B. (1825-1897). I know that he wrote a
book called "Sir John Cope and the Rebellion of 1745". I
can't seem to find a copy of the book. I was wondering if there is a
way to purchase a copy of the General's out of print book?
Also, I obtained on-line from Scottishpeople.com a copy of
the General's last will and testament. It said in his
writings that his oil paintings including his portrait hung in his
family home of "Cockenzie House". Where could I go to
have a professional in Scottish Art History look at the oil painting?
I can send you a digital picture of the portrait of the
General if you would like. Thank you for your time on this matter.
Best regards,
Dear Mark
Cadell's
book is not easy to find these days. I recommend that you try www.bookfinder.com
if you are not aware of that site already. The book will cost you at least
£75.00 and possibly much more if you can actually find one.
There is an
organisation that concerns itself with the Battle of Prestonpans and I
believe there are moves afoot to republish Cadell's book this year. Plans
are in their formative stage but I refer you to http://www.battleofprestonpans1745.org/heritagetrust/html/news/show_news.asp?newsid=2228 where
you will find details, together with links to the rest of the site. I
am sorry that I have little advice for you with regard to your oil painting.
Your email gives no indication of your geographical location but wherever
you are my initial advice might be to visit a reputable auction house that
has experience of this type of work and see what they say. At the very least
they ought to be able to advise you further.
Dear Lewie:
Thank you very much for your information and the web link
that you gave me. To let you know, I am in Florida, USA. I will
try to write someone at the group that you gave me and ask them for any
additional info.
I hope that they do re-publish the General's book,
because it is a very good and informative piece of history on the
Battle of Prestonpans. The General's brother, Col.
Thomas Cadell, VC, really loved the book and went to great lengths to get
it published. He stated that his brother knew so much of the
battle and that his book was a great work of his life and of military history.
I hope to help in any way that I can in the efforts to get the book out
to the public.
All the best to you,
Mark
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